Comments on: Heresy http://andymoore.wordpress.com/2007/09/25/heresy/ a blog of Andy Moore Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:03:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU By: nate http://andymoore.wordpress.com/2007/09/25/heresy/#comment-51 nate Sun, 07 Oct 2007 03:55:47 +0000 http://andymoore.wordpress.com/2007/09/25/heresy/#comment-51 brian and josh, i have listened to the clip and i completely disagree with you guys. i tried to give mark the benefit of the doubt....but grace, in my definition, is the opposite of what he was embodying at convergent. he was absolutely ruthless in his demeanor, despite trying to make it sound that he was being "nice". i guess mark wouldn't want his comments thought of as nice...maybe reasonable is more like it. mark really thinks that by being cool in certain ways, he can treat people with utter disrespect and dishing out comments of shame like this was high school. you really can't call someone your friend and a heretic in the same thought. it's antithetical. i guess mark doesn't want to seem unappreciative to Emergent since he gained most of his popularity through his association to the very people he now slanders. this is why he still calls them friends. but as i said, it's antithetical. at best it's immature, at worst it's deceitful and sinister. i'll reserve judgment b/c i don't know the man personally and the principle of grace demands that i pass no sentence on him (in my mind or otherwise)...but i do want him to consider his ways. brian and josh, i have listened to the clip and i completely disagree with you guys. i tried to give mark the benefit of the doubt….but grace, in my definition, is the opposite of what he was embodying at convergent. he was absolutely ruthless in his demeanor, despite trying to make it sound that he was being “nice”. i guess mark wouldn’t want his comments thought of as nice…maybe reasonable is more like it. mark really thinks that by being cool in certain ways, he can treat people with utter disrespect and dishing out comments of shame like this was high school. you really can’t call someone your friend and a heretic in the same thought. it’s antithetical. i guess mark doesn’t want to seem unappreciative to Emergent since he gained most of his popularity through his association to the very people he now slanders. this is why he still calls them friends. but as i said, it’s antithetical. at best it’s immature, at worst it’s deceitful and sinister. i’ll reserve judgment b/c i don’t know the man personally and the principle of grace demands that i pass no sentence on him (in my mind or otherwise)…but i do want him to consider his ways.

]]> By: Emerging Perspective « Intelligence and Ignorance http://andymoore.wordpress.com/2007/09/25/heresy/#comment-45 Emerging Perspective « Intelligence and Ignorance Tue, 02 Oct 2007 08:54:02 +0000 http://andymoore.wordpress.com/2007/09/25/heresy/#comment-45 [...] to have been included in the Emergent Village blog round-up of the latest Mark Driscoll furore (see my post here), mainly thanks to this post of Grace’s, (which obviously got a lot more traffic than its 36 [...] [...] to have been included in the Emergent Village blog round-up of the latest Mark Driscoll furore (see my post here), mainly thanks to this post of Grace’s, (which obviously got a lot more traffic than its 36 [...]

]]> By: Josh R http://andymoore.wordpress.com/2007/09/25/heresy/#comment-40 Josh R Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:21:52 +0000 http://andymoore.wordpress.com/2007/09/25/heresy/#comment-40 I would highly recommend you listen to the podcast for yourself.. Driscoll was uncharacteristically restrained (With a couple of exceptions) and was quite specific about his concerns. While he did use the word heresy, he didn't use it that much, and he didn't use is without solid biblical basis. Many people are saying that Mark should have applied Matthew 18:15 here. Not that this was to be used when a brother Sins against you. -- Once these gentlemen publish their ideas, it is not a personal matter, it is a public matter.. Their ideas are in the marketplace of ideas, and those ideas deserve to be given a full trial. I would highly recommend you listen to the podcast for yourself.. Driscoll was uncharacteristically restrained (With a couple of exceptions) and was quite specific about his concerns. While he did use the word heresy, he didn’t use it that much, and he didn’t use is without solid biblical basis.

Many people are saying that Mark should have applied Matthew 18:15 here. Not that this was to be used when a brother Sins against you. — Once these gentlemen publish their ideas, it is not a personal matter, it is a public matter.. Their ideas are in the marketplace of ideas, and those ideas deserve to be given a full trial.

]]> By: Brian http://andymoore.wordpress.com/2007/09/25/heresy/#comment-39 Brian Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:14:56 +0000 http://andymoore.wordpress.com/2007/09/25/heresy/#comment-39 I had the privilege of attending the conference and it was life-changing. I listen to a lot of Pastor Mark's podcast and know his speaking well. The way he approached the tru heresy in the church was extremely graceful and out of a humble and sorrowful heart. He is friends with those of whom he "called out" and has spoken with all of them except Rob Bell. The evidence he gave was more than substantial. I didn't want to hear it, nobody did, but it needed to be said. PLEASE listen to the Convergent Conference here as I expect SEBTS site will probably be slammed. http://iambrian.com/?p=46 I had the privilege of attending the conference and it was life-changing. I listen to a lot of Pastor Mark’s podcast and know his speaking well. The way he approached the tru heresy in the church was extremely graceful and out of a humble and sorrowful heart.

He is friends with those of whom he “called out” and has spoken with all of them except Rob Bell. The evidence he gave was more than substantial.

I didn’t want to hear it, nobody did, but it needed to be said.

PLEASE listen to the Convergent Conference here as I expect SEBTS site will probably be slammed. http://iambrian.com/?p=46

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